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Jaya, early 1990s<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Jaya has lived in the Ananda communities<\/strong> almost since the beginning. (The original community was started in 1968.) He managed the day\u2011to\u2011day operations and planning aspects of Ananda Village for many years, and now he and his wife, Nayaswami Sadhana Devi, serve as leaders of Ananda\u2019s work in India. (Photo: 1990s)<\/em><\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> This is the most boring question I could think of. \u201cPlease tell us about government at Ananda.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> [Laughs.] It\u2019s hard to pinpoint how Ananda\u2019s government works. We don\u2019t have a charter that says \u201cThis is how we do things.\u201d Decisions tend to be made situationally, depending on what\u2019s on the agenda, so the government is always in flux.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> In one of Swami Kriyananda\u2019s books on communities, Cities of Light: a Plan for This Age<\/em>, the chapter on government includes almost no discussion of structure. Rather it\u2019s entirely about people\u2019s attitudes.<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> Swamiji made an interesting point recently, when he talked about how decision\u2011making authority will naturally fluctuate over time, because it doesn\u2019t relate necessarily to the individual. In other words, the power to make decisions doesn\u2019t go to an individual because of who he or she is, but because of the needs of the job.<\/p>\n

He lamented the fact that in some organizations, whenever a decision needs to be made, a group of vice\u2011presidents will meet, even though they have no firsthand knowledge of what\u2019s going on, and they\u2019ll make a decision simply because they happen to hold a title.<\/p>\n

Swami said that he wants to see Ananda structured around individuals who can make valid decisions because they\u2019re directly involved in a project. This goes back to an idea that he\u2019s expressed many times, that authority and decision\u2011making should devolve down to the people who have direct responsibility for a specific situation.<\/p>\n

In my job, I find myself facing lots of situations where a committee will coalesce around a specific need. We\u2019ll look around the community and see who\u2019s involved at the grassroots level, and sometimes you\u2019ll need to include a few people who simply want to express an opinion, because you may not know all of the parameters. But you don\u2019t want to weight it on the side of mere opinions, because you want to put the hands\u2011on people in charge.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> It sounds as if you would want to avoid creating too many committees.<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> That\u2019s true. We have lots of them, but they aren\u2019t standing committees \u2013 they tend to coalesce around a project. To take a recent example, we built a new guest lodge at The Expanding Light retreat, and a committee formed to steer the project. We were spending large sums of money, so you had people from The Expanding Light and the fundraising department and the planning department, etc. But as soon as the project was completed, the committee dissolved. And, again, last year we decided to consolidate the community\u2019s fire insurance, and a committee formed and then faded away when the issue was resolved.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> Does that way of solving problems reflect a cooperative state of mind, rather than people wanting to start committees to entrench their own authority?<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> Right, and then the committee goes out looking for things to do. It doesn\u2019t work that way here at all. We look for the best way to make things happen, and because everybody is so busy, and we\u2019re all trying to cooperate, a committee just gives us an efficient way to work together and reach a consensus. In any project, you need people who\u2019ll get away from the committee and actually do something, but the committee will act as a sounding board, and then it will dissolve.<\/p>\n

You do have certain standing departments in the community that handle the day\u2011to\u2011do management affairs. We work pretty much by managerial structures, and it\u2019s a bit hierarchical. But the managers are autonomous to a large degree. So the hierarchy rises through the department heads directly to the spiritual directors, Jyotish and Devi, and the general managers, Vidura and Durga. We also have a manager who\u2019s in charge of certain specialized areas, such as personnel and management consulting, and then I\u2019m in charge of the village and certain areas of the ministry.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> It doesn\u2019t sound terribly hierarchical in the sense of the federal government, with its jealous boundaries and infinitely proliferating regulations. What happens in the committees that allows them to work efficiently and effectively?<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> It seems to work for us because it\u2019s one of our shared philosophical goals to cooperate with each other. You need to have a common basis for making decisions, and I don\u2019t think our way would be transferable to just any group. Also, we all have a certain base\u2011level faith in each other\u2019s good intentions. We may disagree on the practical steps, but we have faith in the common direction, and that we\u2019re all on the same side, trying to accomplish something worthwhile.<\/p>\n

I think it\u2019s also important that we defer to one another easily. In trying to reach a consensus, you can\u2019t argue everything to the end\u2011point. I\u2019ll defer to somebody who has more knowledge in a particular area, or I\u2019ll defer to a person who has hands\u2011on responsibility. I\u2019ll give my opinion, but if it ultimately concerns their world more than mine, I\u2019ll respect their wish to do it their way.<\/p>\n

When we built the Serenity House guest facility at The Expanding Light, I may have had an opinion about what color the building should be painted, but I would defer to The Expanding Light staff. So there\u2019s a respect for one another. But if a decision fell in the realm of planning, or our relationships with the county, I would feel more strongly, because that\u2019s my area of responsibility, and I think the others would defer to me.<\/p>\n

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Nayaswami Jaya in India<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

So we use each other as sounding boards. Being in leadership and working with the community government isn\u2019t seen as particularly desirable here. It just happens to be something that\u2019s needed. If a person has the karma or the talent for it, then it\u2019s a duty, in a sense, and it has to be seen as a duty, and not as something that has any value other than as the best way you can serve.<\/p>\n

I think a lot of us would rather be out doing something else. [Laughs.] But we do the best we can. I think it\u2019s ultimately based on a common feeling that we\u2019re in this together as sister and brother disciples of Paramhansa Yogananda. I don\u2019t think it would work as well outside of communities like Ananda, because in the world at large people\u2019s private and business lives are so different that it\u2019s sometimes hard for them to get on the same team. Whereas we all have shared goals.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> In successful ventures, it seems that there\u2019s always a clear vision.<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. You have a bond, to the extent that you\u2019re willing to put your personal likes and dislikes and gratification aside for the benefit of the whole.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> Can you talk about how the individual can grow toward realizing these attitudes inwardly.<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> I think it comes down to having one\u2019s priorities and goals in order. Over the years, I\u2019ve always had a question in my mind: \u201cWhat\u2019s the right thing to do? Am I acting in the right way?\u201d And there\u2019s always a little bit of insecurity, because you\u2019re never quite sure. But I\u2019ve found that as you practice meditation longer, you find your faith growing, and you\u2019re increasingly being used as an instrument for the guru, and then somehow things work out. Even though you might not always do the right thing, somehow things seem to fall in place miraculously. And when you see that happening, it builds your faith. It builds your faith that \u201cI\u2019m not in this alone. The Divine is working with me.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Nayaswami Sadhana Devi<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

I feel, in a sense, that it\u2019s out of my hands, and it allows me to relax a little, and I don\u2019t feel quite so alone in the world. That awareness has developed over a long time. When you feel it very strongly, that\u2019s what it means to \u201cbe in tune\u201d \u2013 that you feel yourself being used to do the right thing. You feel that you aren\u2019t doing it, but God is doing it through you.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ll inevitably find yourself having to make decisions where there\u2019s a potential for misunderstanding. But if you feel very calm in your heart, and you don\u2019t feel a sense of personal agenda, you can be relaxed about it. So there\u2019s nothing personal about it.<\/p>\n

You become very impersonal, but not cold. When a little disharmony arises, you can feel it right away. I\u2019ve found that the best thing to do is make a decision and do what I think is right, and take the chance that I might blow it \u2013 and then blow it if you have to, and then go and apologize. [Laughs.] Instead of not acting, which kills the energy, I would rather act and goof up, and then apologize. But you\u2019ve got to be careful, because you don\u2019t want to step off a cliff. I find myself apologizing more and more. [Laughs.]<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> In your position as a planner, you\u2019ve had lots of experience working with the county. Do you think these attitudes have had an effect beyond Ananda?<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> Well, not in the short run, but I think that over time people do begin to sense that you\u2019re trying to be fair. Because it\u2019s important to be honest in your words and your intentions, and forthright, not hypocritical, and not putting on airs or pretending.<\/p>\n

In the very early years, I would go into town and people would say, \u201cWhere are you from?\u201d And I\u2019d say, \u201cI live on San Juan Ridge.\u201d I never liked to say I was from Ananda, because in the early years we were viewed as a strange place. But that feeling passed long ago, because what we\u2019re doing is a very worthwhile thing. I\u2019m comfortable saying, \u201cI\u2019m from Ananda,\u201d because it\u2019s a noble thing, it\u2019s a good thing.<\/p>\n

Some people will like it and some won\u2019t, and that\u2019s fine. I don\u2019t feel judged by that. But, by the same token, I think we have to be careful not to judge others, because if you don\u2019t judge them, you won\u2019t feel judged yourself. I think \u201cLet truth prevail.\u201d Let Ananda stand on its own two feet and be presented in the best possible way, and then let people decide for themselves if it\u2019s a good thing or not.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve found that if you are open and honest with people, they feel it. If you don\u2019t feel defensive or hostile or judgmental, people feel it and things tend to run smoothly. When I first came here, I was a little antagonistic toward government, but that isn\u2019t helpful. When you\u2019re dealing with government, you\u2019re dealing with people. You\u2019re dealing with the person behind the counter. If you treat the government inspectors and bureaucrats as people, they don\u2019t treat you as an institution. So it breaks it down to a people level, where you understand that they have a job to do, and you help them do it as best you can, as if you were in their position. You treat them how you\u2019d like to be treated.<\/p>\n

I found that if you can get beyond labels and deal on that level, it\u2019s successful. Now, I don\u2019t know if that would work in a large metropolitan county, but in a rural county like ours, it\u2019s very important that you deal with people, and not go in, like many people do, and bang on the counter and be nasty. Or when the building inspector comes out, be defensive and hostile.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s the same when you\u2019re dealing with the neighbors. You have to realize that if you\u2019re open and friendly, people will respond that way. I\u2019ve noticed that when you first approach people, they have a tendency to be a little defensive and closed. It\u2019s their natural reaction, and the first thing you have to do is break that down and be open and natural with them.<\/p>\n

This is what I\u2019ve seen Swami do. He\u2019s a master at it. When somebody comes up, he\u2019s just so open and natural that he charms them, and he breaks down any barriers of status and position. He\u2019s a natural person. He acts appropriately in any situation. I wish I had that quality. I can do it in the narrow sphere of my own work, but whether Swami is dealing with artists, scientists, or people in high position, he puts them at ease very naturally. It\u2019s an art, and it comes from a sense of ease within himself. It\u2019s said that Yogananda was that way, too.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> It relates to a cultivated desire to cooperate, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s true, being able to recognize and relate to other people\u2019s realities. I know that when I feel uncomfortable, it usually comes from within me. Usually I\u2019m a little tense inside. But if I can relax and be open, and realize that this person is probably feeling tense and closed too, then perhaps I can overcome my shyness and make that person feel at ease.<\/p>\n

Q:<\/strong> People have come from various urban housing developments to observe Ananda. Do you find that they understand what Ananda is doing?<\/p>\n

Jaya:<\/strong> People come here and see what\u2019s going on, and maybe at first they think it\u2019s just an aberration, but then they see that it\u2019s not only the individuals who live here that are unique, but that it\u2019s the principles we\u2019re practicing, and that those principles can be applied anywhere \u2013 the principles of cooperation, living for high ideals, and making those our life goals. When people begin to understand that, they start to look at the principles, rather than thinking that the people are somehow special.<\/p>\n

People visit the Ananda communities and feel a certain presence. They go to our stores and feel something that touches them. People come here because they feel something that touches them, even though they can\u2019t quite put their finger on it. It\u2019s not the way we organize our houses or our businesses. It\u2019s the spirit, Yogananda\u2019s spirit, that we\u2019re trying to express.<\/p>\n

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